Its a real shame I cant post at Predictor anymore. This Terve2 guy really ticks me off.

Maybe its DLB's second account? :?

In real conspiracy's theory this would be his third

RAC limit has been lifted now.

Yep, that's why I posted there several times, but I think Terve2 cannot be convinced.
P@H is the first project ever which is on my personal ignore list now. It is becoming way too stupid there.

Thx for telling me! I CAN POST AGAIN!

Btw: Mr. David "Allmighty" Braun has posted a very short statement:


As expected I must say.

Someone have not noticed, that banned/excluded users never willing to follow his explanations and also never willing to crunch for the project.

For the simple question, why posts are deleted, I'm further on banned up to 2038. So I can't post, can't apologize (ok, I don't would do it for my question) and don't will work where I only have to keep my trap shut!

Aggressive was only the banning of my account by dlb after asking for a explanation about the deleting of some postings I've read.

Anyway, Terve2 is my nickname, living in Kobe, Japan. I somehow dislike Scripps (although I participate p@h), reasons I would not say as it should not be important for you.

Shai, Cori, and rest of others who banned from P@H, I want you to make things normalized. Blaming, flaming... are easy things to do, and some of others follow you for just their fun. If you don't like p@h, it's ok. But placing your feeling to other message boards like here does not give an help.
I know one thing, whatever you thought, if you post your angry feelings to the message boards, somebody would follow for fun. In this W*** case, it should be far important to inform exact infos by e-mail, as its sensitivity makes people overreacting. This was that what happened and dlb made more firing by banning.

Now deleting banning would not make you happy, I suppose. Apologies would not make you happy, I suppose.

Then it might be better choice not to express more on various boards and all boards readable for vast majority of crunchers. We have BOINC and WGC for our choice, and I chose BOINC (because I was one of old SETI user). I have never thought this kind of stupid things happen here. In some way, "group societies" got more power to influence whole BOINC societies, and these groups forgot the existence of rest of crunchers without joining to some group. You can express your feeling to the rest of group members, but it is bad for rest of people, and bad for BOINC whole society. If you like BOINC, and want people encourage to crunch from BOINC, you should be more careful. It's my sad feeling expressed in boincstats (my first post ever).

Terve2, I really don't understand you.
Why should those people who got treaded so utterly bad over @predictor just shut their mouth and keep quiet, and not inform the community about this issue?

Why do you so vehemently defend all actions by Mr. Braun and denigrate all actions by the whistleblowers?

Mr. Braun did nothing in regard od W***, he behaved outragous towards those who reminded him again and again about this, after 5 weeks of inaction he started with banning those donators who still didn't bow to this lenience. That was when the sh** hits the fan, but it was started only by Mr. Braun, we others just reacted (and at some later time a bit too harsh as well) to his deeds.

Mr. Braun has said nothing that remotely looks like an apology, he hasn't said much about W*** at all, I hope his sentence about the further treatment of the account is truthfull, but in the light of his other actions I simply don't believe him, he has lost all trust through his deeds.

DC-projects in general, and BOINC-projects as part of this, rely on the trust of the volunteers/donators, on the reliability and openness of the project, on the communication between the inner circle and the community. If one project behaves bad, all projects will be affected by this unless you distance yourself from the bad apple.

P@H is a bad apple at the moment thanks to Mr. Braun. He should at least apologise for his misdeeds, better quit appearance in the forum an let someone with better communication skills take over. I personally doubt his competence as a sys-admin after this debacle.

Perhaps the science of P@H is still something worthy, but there are other projects in the field of protein scienec that are god as well. As long as crunchers are treated so badly by the project, this should be made public, the difference to other, good projects should be made public as well, and the community should take a stance against this little dictators like Mr. Braun.

I don't know why I should keep quiet about this, why I should not name a bad apple a bad apple, why I should not spread the facts about his outragous behaviour.

I accept your opinion somehow, but posting onto multiple boards would help what kind of matters ? There'd no use, or things would not be terminated. I would say, dlb is the only person to take care of p@h server, and he decided this time. As I told whoever made that trojan software, you are not the person to vanish him, and there is still doubt whether W*** did or did not.
I also rather think these P2P downloaders affected, it would be their responsibilities. Of course, host projects should shut out W*** account, it is rather problem of server side, not public matter (where anybody else "like me" who were not involved starts joining, with angry voices). I supposed dlb thought so, and waited formal infos. You treated as public matter (I guess CPDN started, because I had never seen Italy team made public posts earlier than CPDN comment post). Two side had different view points, one to be server-side matter and one to be public vanishment. I rather take former, not latter like you thought. You didn't understand his view point, and your side commentaries got up further "why not treated, how dlb allow W*** to crunch". He could not understand this way, I suppose, because I thought so.

Now I think on both sides, what could be done at the initial stage of this case. I think it would be like "formal info to be sent either from a member or better from BOINC hostmaster". Don't you think so ?

Terve2, I think you're missing the point. This is a discussion board, and what you're suggesting amounts to going along with authority without questioning its actions. As we've found out here in the States on several occasions, the inability to properly question leadership and exercise accountability with the powers that be can end in disastrous consequences, and what's more it's an anti-democratic way to make decisions. I don't mean to turn this into a political discussion, not at all. My point is that if there's such strong evidence to support the predictor admin's case, then let him make his case, and the BOINC community will make its own collective decision as to whether his actions were appropriate. But to hide from the facts is a cowardly way to run a project - or run anything, for that matter.

On the other side of the argument, every member of this community has his or her own right to make their own case, provided they're not just lying outright. Suggesting that they shouldn't post their opinions here or anywhere else they please is a terrible, horrible idea - regardless of which side of this discussion you find yourself on. Notice that I'm not saying you have no right to say what you've said, because you have the same right to expression as everyone else. I'm just saying that bowing unconditionally to "authority," such as it is in this case, is a miserably poor way to run a community, as history has shown time and again. You may not agree with other posters, but to tell them to hush up and keep the matter obstructed from public view is fundamentally detrimental to the openness of the BOINC message boards. Just as you have your opinions, they have theirs. Honestly, I don't even know where I stand on this issue - that's far from the point. The point is that all parties on both sides should be allowed to express themselves freely and completely. Period. And along those lines, I personally find it in absolutely ridiculous for predictor to be banning members from their boards without just cause. Oddly enough, I was considering attaching to predictor in the near future, but this whole business of banning members for no good reason is just silly, and other projects will be getting my WUs.

So make your arguments, but please don't tell others to keep theirs to themselves. With enough pressure from the community, hopefully at some point predictor will come forward and lay out their side of things. Then we can all decide for ourselves. Until then, let the debate continue, and let everyone have their say.

It's absolutely irrelevant whether the real live person, that once created the account W***, is responsible for the trojan, the account "W***" is connected to it with no doubt possible.
This is a public matter, nothing private about it came to the light, the private items like mail addy or IP-numbers are not known by any member, only by the project admins.


No, definitely not!. A post in the official forum is the required form.
The connection of the post with an account gives it credibility, the links to other projects fora with more involved people (mods and admins) gives even more credibility.
If Mr. Braun just sits there and waits for all information to be presented on a silver platter by some high-ups in a non-existing hierarchy, he's simply not doing his job. He, as a sys-admin, has to be proactive towards such severe issues.

It was posted here when we could not post at P@H anymore and because others should be informed about the issue. And here's no flaming going on. The flame was at P@H when DLB started to act weird.


Oh, an appropriate apology from Mr. Braun at the P@H board would make me very happy!

@Terve2: To tell you in a neutral way: I really think we have two completely different opinions on this matter. But I guess thats human. Sure, I cant force anybody to understand my opinion, even if I'm 100% convinced that I'm right (but I guess, you think the same ) Besides that I have no resentments to you.

As Cori said, a public apology from Mr. Braun would make me also very happy - I would then consider to apologize for me not accepting being banned

But honestly, this wont happen. Just like you (Terve2) or me, he thinks he's right. Well, opinions are subjective...

I'm done with it anyway. No more PAH! But more precious CPU-cycles for Rosetta, WCG and the others!

Hey, Terve2,
can you please mail Mr. Braun that there is a spammer on his board, someone in clear breach of rule 2 "no commercial advertising", who resurrrected some very old threads to show his/her (I think it's his, Mark by name, but I'm not sure) signature with a link to his HP.
As mo.v posted in one of this threads:


But as this will probably never be published on some of the boinc_dev or boinc_project or boinc_whatever mailing lists, he will probably not do anything about this real breach of rules (real breach in comparsion with imagined breach with most of the banned posters).

But you can try you're theory that a mail will be the proper way to communicate with him, I won't, because I think it's the wrong way.

As you told, you are right. So why some people were trying to bring the account to justice, without making discussion to the admin ? Although these people knew this incidence, dlb didn't know. You would understand what made him angry.

Saenger,


This is right answer. Have you told him at the most early stage ? I saw you had not said this way. Dlb said like as "modifying one's account is not such easy (for the real account folder's right, if the one didn't do) compared with posting messages on the boards". He is quite right in this view. You tried to punish the one "personality", not asking to seize crunching as this occasion would be serious. This is unfair. Of course, I also think the one did commit, I cannot ask to modify one's account (except to freeze the account, not to delete, not to be rezeroed). Things started wrong way, and dlb might be thinking like me.

He made mistakes, and you made mistakes (I also, I think, and I apologize about it). I guess you would not be capable to obtain his apologies unless you accept what you have done, and unless you stop hurting the P@H project... If I were him, I would do so.

IMHO I have done nothing I havn't already apologised for, that's calling him names after some frustrating hours in dealing with his deletion and banning spree.

I've posted the info in the right place where it belongs, i.e. the forum.
I've insisted on an answer after he closed the thread without saying anything.
I didn't keep quiet about this outragous behaviour by Mr. Braun.

Nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to apologise for.

I've called him names with my 4th incarnation, I already have apologised for that several times.

What else could he want from me?

Yesterday morning I read a post where Braun said that he had new Linux and MacOS WU's ready to go,
but was having problems with Windows.
He mentioned that he has 600 computers, with one running Windows.
Sound like he's crunching his own WU's on 599 machines--
while the members have none to crunch.

By yesterday afternoon I was getting 100% packet loss at 137.164.22.3.
My wife and I have been locked out of the entire predictor site;
can't even access our accounts--
or change teams.

Now we have the reason why dlb does not need us...
If he can crunch all WUs on his own, he won't need us, of course.
This is no more a BOINC project, but a BOINC-based LJCNC-project (La Jolla Closed Network Computing).

To all who were in the BANNED FOR LIFE-team:
The team was deleted today at P@H!!!
First discovered by Krunching Kajun, he immediately decided to recreate a new team under the same name.
Feel free to join the team again!

Re-Joined!

[RANT] "Adorable" how easy a whole team can vanish into Nirvana but it took weeks and months to get dlb to act against the trojan cheater W***. [/RANT]

Re-Joined as well
WTF is going on in this poor mans brain? (Or is there any?)

I just got absolutely deleted.
All my posts are gone, my account is deleted, probably my credits as well, and tomorrow I will probably loose my 10K here 'cause I'm no longer in the XML (Now 153K total, let's wait for tomorrow).

My dummy-accounts are still there, but of course still banned.

He's simply gone mad.

Edit
Even the original thread about W*** seems to have been deleted, probably because I started it.

It only leads to this:

Hello terve2,

I followed your advise and wrote an email to Charles Books and Mr. Braun:


I don't expect an answer, Mr. Braun is imho just a coward who hides behind his admin title.
But let's wait and see.