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ThEfT
 
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2006-08-19 18:16:40

There's a new grid project again:

Project Neuron
http://neuron.mine.nu/neuron/

@Willy: stats are available and you are allowed to add the project
http://neuron.mine.nu/neuron/forum_thread.php?id=20
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2006-08-19 19:03:51

Not sure if its worth running this one yet.

Check out :

http://neuron.mine.nu/neuron/about.php

It's not endorsed by David Anderson
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2006-08-19 19:23:03

It's not endorsed by David Anderson


Meaning we should ignore it? That's kind of silly isn't it?
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2006-08-19 19:32:35

That's kind of silly isn't it?

I agree, it's a working alpha project with credits and a dedicated admin.
Not everything has to have the 'okay' of DA
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2006-08-19 21:48:00

Exactly do you really think D.Anderson sits at work saying no this project can't be accepted!! That's not his job the BOINC source code is available to anyone to use
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2006-08-23 07:14:05

Hello Willy, what about adding Neuron now?
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2006-08-23 14:36:30
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It's not endorsed by David Anderson

MOST projects are NOT endorsed by David Anderson. Source is available for the public, anybody can go and set up his own project without having to ask permission to anybody. They note it on the about page because, given the nature of the project, which is testing how well BOINC works or something like that, maybe people would wonder if BOINC devs endorse it.
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2006-09-04 16:25:27

Neuron now needs a invitation code to join, does anyone know how to get one?
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2006-09-07 08:57:51

I would like to return on the "endorsement" theme.

I would like to share my opinion about that.

I think that BOINC project should setup some kind of "quality assurance" of the projects directly sponsored.

I mean: there ara 1 million computers out there running Boinc, that's not anymore somthing for specialists or enthusiast; it's becaming something... social.
How can anyone trust even only to the security? How can I be sure that someone is not running some "troian" in my PC? Or just that any project is not "infected" by someone else?

BOINC project should rise some kind of "ranking" about some aspects of the project as security and also related directly to the project as publication of the results.

That doesn't mean that you cannot crunch any project you like. Or that BOINCstat should list only project with a BOINC-ranking. But you can decide to host a project having information about how admins take care of it.

That would help to rise the popularity of the whole Boinc project.
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2006-09-12 22:30:34
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I think that BOINC project should setup some kind of "quality assurance" of the projects directly sponsored.
this discussion has been had again and again, but for the sake of argument...

How can anyone trust even only to the security? How can I be sure that someone is not running some "troian" in my PC? Or just that any project is not "infected" by someone else?
ok, first thing to make clear is that this is a security issue (in the general sense, not suggesting that BOINC is either secure or insecure).
The simple answer is that you can't be 100% sure, and as always it's up to the user to decide, after all, it's your computer, so you can't expect someone to take the responcibility of deciding for you.
There are various measures in place to prevent "infection" as you call it, a "hacker" couldn't start distributing a virus or something without access to the private key, which is held on a computer not connected to the network (or at least not the Internet)

looking at the bigger picture, nothing is totally secure, security is a trade-off anyway, basically is the cost worth the benifit, and i wouldn't say it is for a system like this, which brings me on to my next point...

BOINC project should rise some kind of "ranking" about some aspects of the project as security and also related directly to the project as publication of the results.
a simple question: how do you propose this, in an acceptable manor, should be implemented?
There are many issues that need to be taken into account; such as who's responcible if a project turns out to be a virus-farm, and what should happen to the responcible party (either a person or an organisation)?
How would that person decide if a project is "trustworthy"?
how should projects that post a "DA approved" note without actual approval, be delt with? (to prevent them doing it)
if your answer is "have a list on the BOINC site", how should the "list" of "safe" projects be protected from tamper? Who should have authorisation to edit that list? on what basis should people be authorised?
How is the user ment to trust that DA is doing the proper checks, and not just approving everything? this problem just shifts the issue from trusting the projects, to trusting DA, so i see no difference, the question of "how can i trust them" remains.

Taking a step back here for a moment, how do you know the actual BOINC client is "safe" ? how do you know that Rom hasn't added some questionable code into the application?

Also terms like "safe", "secure", and "trustworthy" are subject to opinion, what may be an acceptable risk to Dr. Anderson, might not be to you.

again, you'll never make anything totally secure, it's impossible, it would cost too much (look at the current "war on terror" non-sense)

That would help to rise the popularity of the whole Boinc project.
i doubt it, downloading from the internet is just as risky, if not more so, BOINC has a community, most faceless websites don't

for a more objective view of security in general, covering many other areas as well as computer and national security, i'd encourage anyone to read Bruce Schneier's Blog, Crypto-gram newsletters, and essays.
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2006-12-11 22:52:42

I´m searching for an Account for this Projekt. Has anyone one for me? At this moment, i have 26 Projekts in my list, but for this, i´m to slow ;-(
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2006-12-12 00:56:33

Sorry.

Looks like Tigher has account creation closed right now.

It's still very much an alpha project so he's trying to limit the number of participants.
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