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mitrichr
 
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2010-10-04 23:28:51

I am changing ISP's, so changing email address. If I change the email address in all of my projects ( and, of course the forums) will there be a problem with credit getting to my current CPID? I do not need to or intend to change the name that I use at projects. I read that I cannot make a change in retired projects; but for my credit total they are of little consequence.

Thanks.
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2010-10-05 03:27:47

If you have all your projects attached to BAM, then I would recommend just changing your email address through the "Main account page", as I did when I changed my email address. BAM will update your address at the projects, except for the retired ones; that's where "Sync retired projects" comes into play. Of course, that function only works if you were a member of BAM and had the project attached to your account when the project was marked as retired.

It worked just fine doing it that way for me, but I've heard plenty of other people having problems. So, cross your fingers and have a go.
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2010-10-09 19:09:34

I recently change ISP's so my e-mail address changed as well, I went to each of my projects and updated my e-mail there. I then came here and updated it. Problem is somehow my CPID was changed and now most of my projects dont show up.
My CPID matches on my projects but is wrong here..
It should be b10e87910d74e8b7b0823e3b37796e4b not cf4ae6c09c99f3ec6a2b3f31add2458e How the heck do I get this fixed?
mitrichr
 
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2010-10-09 20:54:25

Egad - thanks for the warning. This should never happen. At the rate people need to change ISP's these days, the world over I would guess, you would think that this would have been taken care of.

Using email addresses as some sort of an identifier is clearly a bad idea. It may have worked in the past; but it just no longer makes the grade.

I love BOINCStats for all of the information it provides. But, this needs to change.
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2010-10-09 22:42:41

I use a Yahoo e-mail address. It is independent of any ISP.



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2010-10-09 22:54:28

mitrichr wrote:
I love BOINCStats for all of the information it provides. But, this needs to change.

That's a matter of BOINC, not BOINCstats! And what identifier would you propose? (UserID would be a bad choice.)

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2010-10-10 01:26:40


Well isn't this what the "Renew CPID" function is for ???

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2010-10-10 02:04:16

KWSN imcrazynow wrote:
I recently change ISP's so my e-mail address changed as well, I went to each of my projects and updated my e-mail there. I then came here and updated it. Problem is somehow my CPID was changed and now most of my projects dont show up.
My CPID matches on my projects but is wrong here..
It should be b10e87910d74e8b7b0823e3b37796e4b not cf4ae6c09c99f3ec6a2b3f31add2458e How the heck do I get this fixed?


First thing you should do is wait... It can take a day or two for all of the projects to update their information with BOINCstats. In fact, a quick search for your username (which yielded only one user) would suggest that your CPID is not synched across all projects.

Regarding the use of email address, that was a decision made by the BOINC people, not the projects or BOINCstats. In fact, there is one project that does not use email address as the account identifier--World Community Grid. And, since that's not the standard used by the other projects there are all kinds of problems synchronizing with stats sites and BAM.
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2010-10-10 13:56:20

Gundolf Jahn wrote:
And what identifier would you propose? (UserID would be a bad choice.)

Gruß,
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How about the CPID itself? Once assigned, it is the most important thing anyway.
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2010-10-10 14:29:36
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noderaser wrote:
KWSN imcrazynow wrote:
I recently change ISP's so my e-mail address changed as well, I went to each of my projects and updated my e-mail there. I then came here and updated it. Problem is somehow my CPID was changed and now most of my projects dont show up.
My CPID matches on my projects but is wrong here..
It should be b10e87910d74e8b7b0823e3b37796e4b not cf4ae6c09c99f3ec6a2b3f31add2458e How the heck do I get this fixed?


First thing you should do is wait... It can take a day or two for all of the projects to update their information with BOINCstats. In fact, a quick search for your username (which yielded only one user) would suggest that your CPID is not synched across all projects.

Regarding the use of email address, that was a decision made by the BOINC people, not the projects or BOINCstats. In fact, there is one project that does not use email address as the account identifier--World Community Grid. And, since that's not the standard used by the other projects there are all kinds of problems synchronizing with stats sites and BAM.

I changed ISP's August 27th. and my address on all of my projects and here the 28th. I've gone to my projects and checked the CPID there. They show b10e87910d74e8b7b0823e3b37796e4b. Here my CPID is cf4ae6c09c99f3ec6a2b3f31add2458e. I have not used the sync button yet. Only my retired projects show now. None of my active ones. I don't wan't to screw things up worse than they are now if that's even possible. You can see by this chart when this happened.
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2010-10-10 14:30:03

mitrichr wrote:
Gundolf Jahn wrote:
And what identifier would you propose? (UserID would be a bad choice.)

Gruß,
Gundolf


How about the CPID itself? Once assigned, it is the most important thing anyway.


And how do you propose that the CPID is the same in all your projects, including the future ones where you sign up with a different email address, user name or password.
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2010-10-10 14:38:39
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That would be marvellous
We could stop creating the BOINC combined stats and stop comparing apples and oranges
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2010-10-10 14:55:19
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Can we get back here please. I really would like to get this fixed.
Ok, link didn't work for me. Don't know what I did wrong. Please see message 91473 in this thread.
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2010-10-10 16:43:08

I don't understand what your problem is. I can find your stats here.
And your 60 days output looks like:
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2010-10-10 17:08:03

This is what I was seeing when I logged in. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I do notice that Genetic Life and Project Neuron are missing from the page you directed me to. In fact the pages are exactly opposite. LOL! The one I was seeing only shows my retired projects and the one you sent me to is only the active ones. Can I get them back together or is it a wasted cause since the projects are retired and no longer updating?
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2010-10-10 17:09:16

Crystal Pellet wrote:
I don't understand what your problem is.


More than likely his problem is the same as I experienced not that long ago.

Yes the stats exist ... BUT (most likely) when he clicks on "My Detailed Stats" from the BAM menu that is NOT the page he is taken to, he is being taken to the stats page for his OLD CPID.

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2010-10-10 17:31:33

KWSN imcrazynow wrote:
This is what I was seeing when I logged in. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I do notice that Genetic Life and Project Neuron are missing from the page you directed me to. In fact the pages are exactly opposite. LOL! The one I was seeing only shows my retired projects and the one you sent me to is only the active ones. Can I get them back together or is it a wasted cause since the projects are retired and no longer updating?

Since you are one of the early BAM! users where those meanwhile retired projects were active you can synchronize them by clicking:
http://boincstats.com/bam/retired_projects.php
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2010-10-10 22:00:23

BOINCstats Willy wrote:


And how do you propose that the CPID is the same in all your projects, including the future ones where you sign up with a different email address, user name or password.




This is not hard. Make the once assigned CPID my password. If I attach to a new project, I just come to BOINCStats, copy the CPID and make it my password on the new project. Once I know that this is how it works, then it is my responsibility to take that action with any new for me project to which I attach.

This does involve the concept of a temporary password.If I choose to start something totally new with one new project, I use whatever name I want and choose and any password I want with the new project. This becomes like a temporary password. This is how banks and credit card companies do it, sort of in reverse. They give you a temporary password and you then change it to whatever you want to use. Some forums do it also. BOINCStats creates a new CPID, and tells me to change my password in the new projects(s) to the new CPID. If I choose to add more projects into the same group with that new one, then I come and get that new CPID to use as my password.

My name and my password (CPID) become the keys to my crunching kingdom, instead of my email address, which I may need to change.
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2010-10-10 22:04:17

mitrichr wrote:
This is not hard. Make the once assigned CPID my password...

The CPID is public!

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2010-10-10 22:06:59

mitrichr wrote:
This is not hard. Make the once assigned CPID my password.

The CPID is public knowledge, not really password material.
And anyway, it's generated with the BOINC software on the server, nothing the stats sites can do about besides trying to keep the users a bit more happy with tricks like "Retired projects synchronizing".
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2010-10-11 13:11:22

O.K., the CPID is public: Make it non-public.

O.K., the CPID is assigned by the BOINC software. So, the first project to which one attaches will yield up a CPID. One can then go and use it for a password.

If none of these "outside the box" ideas appeal, there is still a problem in that there is more and more switching of ISP's and email addresses.

How about tying the current password? I have several different passwords that I use with differing numbers of and kinds of characters. Again, this is just not hard.

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2010-10-21 08:32:09

Email addresses are independent of ISPs, at least there are enough of those available, so why change the address when changing the ISP?

CPID has to be open, as it's the instrument for stats sites to combine the different accounts in the projects XML.

Usually CPID is taken from the oldest project and assigned to new ones. I still have the same CPID since I started with SETI-Boinc in October 2004.

The CPID is independent of the password, you can use a different one on every project if you want. You can use a different user name on every project as well. As long as the email address is everywhere the same, and the projects can communicate via your computers everything will line up. BUT you can't use account managers if you do such stuff.

Passwords must never ever be communicated between the projects. Communication between the projects has to be done only with open accessible data. If you decide to use an account manager, it will communicate your password to the projects, but without letting them know about your other accounts.
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2010-10-21 10:19:52

Saenger wrote:
If you decide to use an account manager, it will communicate your password to the projects, but without letting them know about your other accounts.


This is not entirely true. The password is never communicated as is. It's always hashed with other parameters, so it can never be read by somebody in between who is capable to read your traffic (also now as hacker).
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2010-10-21 12:28:43

Saenger wrote:
Email addresses are independent of ISPs, at least there are enough of those available, so why change the address when changing the ISP?


Sorry, but, the email address includes the ISP as domain. So, if I switch ISP's, the domain changes, so the email address changes.
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2010-10-21 12:47:13

mitrichr wrote:
Saenger wrote:
Email addresses are independent of ISPs, at least there are enough of those available, so why change the address when changing the ISP?


Sorry, but, the email address includes the ISP as domain. So, if I switch ISP's, the domain changes, so the email address changes.


I think he means that you can easily get a ISP independent emailaddress, for example something@gmail.com or something@live.com.
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