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2019-12-25 05:34:48

Some of the stat's for Universe@Home are not being captured after their recent update.

Last update user XML 2019-12-22 12:01:39 UTC (2 days 16:25:16 old)
Last update host XML 2019-12-21 16:01:37 UTC (3 days 12:25:18 old)
Last update team XML 2019-12-25 04:00:16 UTC (00:26:39 old)

There is a posting on the Universe forum that is stating that the stat's are being posted correctly and is pointing the finger at BOINCstats ... I can not verify either.

Thanks
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2019-12-25 07:50:59

It's because of the GDPR. Because many people have not checked to box to allow export of stats the stats export has shrunk in size. One of the "if they F* it up don't let it F8 up BOINCstats" is to not import stats when the export size has shrunk too much.

In this case we should import but let's give everybody some extra time to check the box so that they not lose their history for the project.
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2019-12-25 16:49:03

Maybe you could reinstate the "blinking banner" whenever a project implements GDPR
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2019-12-27 05:40:48

Ok, so we waited ... and waited ... so import it Willy. Got about 10 million credits somewhere in limbo with this project. Those that snooze ... lose.
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2019-12-27 16:40:17

I have same problem. It has been a few days after I've changed it in my preference. freedc and other aggregation sites parse my universe@home stats just fine afterwards. This problem seems to be unique to boincstats. Perhaps there is also a minor format change causing boincstats to not able to parse stats after the update?
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2019-12-27 16:45:43

Ah, crap. Don't read forum frequent enough and I missed Willy's reply. Ignore my previous reply...

It's fair to wait if that would avoid accidentally deleting too many stats/history. Doesn't GDPR provide a 90-day grace period that we can start importing new stats now but only clean up old data before the 90-day deadline? I guess it's probably not trivial to implement that way.
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2019-12-30 08:30:11

My Stats still are not exported to BOINC Manager. Someone outhere in the "Universe" who can help me with this issue?
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2019-12-30 12:35:04

Why are people talking about losing history? That simply does not happen. If you import them all now, anyone checking the box next month will get everything copied across on the next (bi-daily?) boincstats update after they check the box. Nothing is lost. The total work done is stored on the project server. They will go into the correct position on Boincstats when it's copied across. This is what happened to me with Einstein - I was away from the project for a year or two, came back, ticked the box, and appeared back in Boincstats, no problem.

Apart from now having no idea how good I am compared with those who haven't ticked....
Thanks EU, first you screw up webpages with cookie banners, now you screw up my science. Even once the UK where I live has left the EU, they'll presumably continue to annoy me, just like they're currently annoying Americans and Canadians.
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2019-12-31 16:31:43

Peter Hucker wrote:

Why are people talking about losing history? That simply does not happen. If you import them all now, anyone checking the box next month will get everything copied across on the next (bi-daily?) boincstats update after they check the box. Nothing is lost. The total work done is stored on the project server. They will go into the correct position on Boincstats when it's copied across. This is what happened to me with Einstein - I was away from the project for a year or two, came back, ticked the box, and appeared back in Boincstats, no problem.

I am not talking about losing the points of a project, but I like the daily credit history boincstats provides. That's a boincstats thing. Universe@home stats are enabled now and I get a big credit spike in a day, instead of actual credit history in past few days. There are also features like best 10 days get screwed by this. None of these are critical for sure, but some of these features are why I prefer boincstats compared to a few other aggregation sites.

On a side note, I do feel GDPR is more useful than those cookie banners. It at least did something helpful to force big companies to pay a bit more attention to data privacy. There are quite a few data deletion options that wouldn't have existed (or at least that soon) without GDPR.
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2019-12-31 16:45:55

wujj123456 wrote:

I am not talking about losing the points of a project, but I like the daily credit history boincstats provides. That's a boincstats thing. Universe@home stats are enabled now and I get a big credit spike in a day, instead of actual credit history in past few days. There are also features like best 10 days get screwed by this. None of these are critical for sure, but some of these features are why I prefer boincstats compared to a few other aggregation sites.


But surely leaving the import till later will make your spike even worse? I can think of no reason for delaying the import. You need to be back in the stats as soon as possible.

wujj123456 wrote:

On a side note, I do feel GDPR is more useful than those cookie banners. It at least did something helpful to force big companies to pay a bit more attention to data privacy. There are quite a few data deletion options that wouldn't have existed (or at least that soon) without GDPR.


Nothing the EU has ever done is useful. I really don't care if someone can see that I do crunching for Universe. The only things I need private are: my bank account password and the size of my penis. Everything else, I'll admit it to a complete stranger.
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2019-12-31 19:45:41

Peter Hucker wrote:
But surely leaving the import till later will make your spike even worse? I can think of no reason for delaying the import. You need to be back in the stats as soon as possible.

Oh, for me, yes. I would argue the import shouldn't have waited at all the moment I turn on my export. I was under the impression whoever doesn't turn on their export by the time boincstats start importing again will lose all their history kept by boincstats for that project and thus WIlly wants to give them a chance. If that's not the case, then to me there is no reason to wait at all.

Peter Hucker wrote:
Nothing the EU has ever done is useful. I really don't care if someone can see that I do crunching for Universe. The only things I need private are: my bank account password and the size of my penis. Everything else, I'll admit it to a complete stranger.

So you do prefer if a bank fails to guard your password or the hospital leaks the size of your penis to social media companies, they are punishable by law with potentially a fine worth their second thought? :-) I agree GDPR in the context of volunteer computing is completely useless and I also set everything I do to public whenever I can. However, I view this as side effects, albeit pretty unfortunate and inconvenient ones for us.
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2019-12-31 19:53:44

wujj123456 wrote:

So you do prefer if a bank fails to guard your password or the hospital leaks the size of your penis to social media companies, they are punishable by law with potentially a fine worth their second thought? :-) I agree GDPR in the context of volunteer computing is completely useless and I also set everything I do to public whenever I can. However, I view this as side effects, albeit pretty unfortunate and inconvenient ones for us.


No, I said I DO care if my password is leaked, or if my penis size is leaked. But if they are then I can vote with my feet. If a company does something like that I change the company I use. Unfortunately I can't choose my government, I have to live with the one the stupid masses voted for.

But I care about nothing else. Especially something as trivial as my computing stats. What's the worst that could happen? Someone walks up to me in the street and says "Ha! I did twice as much processing as you last week, you loser!"

Every single thing the EU does is way over the top. Did you know we can't buy 2kW vacuum cleaners any more? Yeah, like using a 1kW one for twice as long because it has virtually no suction is going to make a difference....
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